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By: denzien

I think seeing it as historical is slightly off because it depends how you actually see historical games. Use history or your heresy books as a guideline to play good games and get a flavor for a...

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By: brewer1980

Its an interesting, but I think naive take on their part. Even GW acknowledge that in a galaxy spanning conflict there are gaps within which to game. Want loyalist nightlords? Go for it, it happened –...

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By: lonkelo

Good article @warzan ! Now here’s a quote: “ The historical games we research and play represent humanity’s mistakes and the price we pay. No conflict ever came out of the right decisions being made.”...

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By: lonkelo

Just wondering whether people playing games set in the first or second age of Middle Earth also see it as historical wargaming 🤔

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By: scribbs

Whilst I can see where this idea of 30k being ‘historical’ 40k comes from, I personally think its no different to any other setting with a detailed lore and narrative. Whether it is 30k, Star Wars,...

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By: smithsco

As a historian, history teacher, and wargamer that statement that 30k is historical is asinine and insulting. I saw polling data yesterday that 20% of Americans 18-29 believe the Holocaust is a myth....

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By: elessar2590

“Look, this is pretty set in stone. All the detail is there, so stick to what’s there and don’t deviate.” I think it’s important to remember that this is basically a strawman and the guy didn’t...

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By: elessar2590

The thing is I’ve never seen anyone in the 30K Community ever say you can’t do a loyal or traitor version of a Legion. Maybe loyalist Word Bearers is a bit of a stretch but you can justify it and...

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By: psychoticstorm

What a weird and bizarre world we live in, it is the argument I would expect @warzan to be making and defending not been against. This frankly highlights a few things and opens some discussion, first...

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By: frankelee

Certainly 30K has the feeling of a historical wargame, and that’s the way a large portion of that actual community of dedicated players and hobbyists like it. Things are defined, the details are there,...

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By: bobcockayne

Hmmn! interesting , says Bob wearing a scuttle helmet, field grey greatcoat and hiding behind a rubber plant (anyone getting the reference gets a no prize!). Its not history , not matter how they dress...

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By: greyhunter88

I feel like this argument is a little pedantic. Horus Heresy is obviously not a “historical” wargame in the sense of real human history, but it’s certainly a game of historical fiction. When my friends...

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By: wolfie65

I don’t agree with the notion that all wars were started for the wrong reasons, some simply had to happen and there really weren’t any good choices at the time. Many were forced on people or nations...

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By: dags

The layout and style of the books is definitely inspired by historical reference and I think that is intentional. However, it is not historical games that that are to blame for the pedantry and button...

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By: bobcockayne

@warzan I have to apologize here, no its been a bit since you raised this, but on rethinking about it, for something I’m planning for my L.I project , I see what you were actually trying to get at in...

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